Hmmm, so this is the new trend now, States wanting to secede from the United States.... key word being 'United.' If this were to really happen, it would no longer be the 'United' States of America, but the 'Dis-united' States of America. Now whether this is a real grassroots effort or the product of more 'Agent Provocateurs' (as happened in the Occupy Wall Street Protests towards the end which ultimately brought them down) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur) is not to be fully known. It is my belief that this movement at the very least started out with a sincere intention, since States like Texas and other entities and groups within states have been talking about this forever, including the 'Coming Civil War.' But.... some allegations have been that these petitions have been 'fake from the beginning' - take this comment from a youtube video:
The thing is, anyone from anywhere can create these petitions. Anyone can sign them too. The original petition was a hoax and the rest are copycat hoaxes. The Hawaii petition was created by someone from Florida! [willease 20 hours ag(comment included exactly as posted, misspellings and all!)]
I wonder how true this is.... Sounds like this commentator is sincere in what he says, although he may have received faulty information from another source. But also to be fair and objective, the fact that anyone can sign them too is not anything sinister, you could sign for other states if you want to! The statement that these are a hoax from the beginning though, I have no idea.
But anyway, the video that inspired the following comments on youtube ;-) and my article here is this:
http://youtu.be/kIWphgzhmMs
And as a commentator on the youtube video said,
Wake up, WAKE UP, it's time to go to sleep!
Perfectly said; in an uncanny way, it is the truth! (as I said)
How ironic and uncannily true, well, let's hope we don't just 'wake up to go to sleep!'
Reminds me of Alice in Wonderland somehow.... I think we have all gone through the looking glass... and one day, we will wake up and find that we are in the same place we went to sleep... and that really, we had the truth in our hands and minds the whole time... but we had to go through the tunnel and the looking glass and everything else to find that out....
My comments on the youtube video are as follows: (from earliest to latest, top to bottom).
I don't think this would happen, the Federal Government wants too much power (as well as the Global Government), and furthermore, if this did start to really happen.... worst case scenario, the Conspiracy Theorists would have a hey day 'cause then they will say the 'New World Order' has begun its march... and the 'martial law' FEMA camps will follow... Civil War.... I'm just saying, 'worst case scenario' and 'Conspiracy Theory-wise.' Doesn't mean it WILL happen.... but it is all the beginning of 'waking up.'
Now there are copycat petitions such as 'all those that have asked for secession to have their citizenship revoked' or else a petition for the city of El Paso to secede from Texas.... "El Paso has little in common with the rest of Texas. Its demographics are more similar to New Mexico. El Paso is also proud to be part of the United States and wants no part of a state whom publicly contemplates secession from our great nation." ("Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas.")
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-city-el-paso-secede-state-texas-el-paso-tired-being-second-class-city-within-texas/cGFvBF17
So, this could go on and on until there is nothing left... if this really happened, everything would devolve into pure chaos, which is sometimes necessary, to get things going, to a certain extent. Right now, the people are in their adolescence, rebelling against the 'Parent,' the Federal Government, but do they realize just how interdependent we all are? How much we really depend on other states and the Federal Government for certain things such as imported foods and goods, moneys, etc.
One consequence of this going through, if it actually went that far, would completely break down interstate commerce, because then each state, which imports/exports different goods, according to their region, and then entities like the F.B.I., which has 'federal jurisdiction' across all state borders, would legally/technically not be able to cross state lines to do their job (check their history on how they became the 'Federal' Bureau of Investigation.' Yeah, some would say, "That's great! That's just what we want!" But... ... the fact is, when the local law enforcement starts to break down, or has some issue which can't be resolved internally, then you'd be wishing for that Federal Government to come in and help... then others, I know, will chant, "Well, we can make our own laws and fulfill them! We don't need no stinking Feds!"
Or whatever... and of course these same people have their own guns and their own laws, like going back to the Old West... (not downing the 2nd amendment here, just explaining). Only, not everybody can be like that... ... and furthermore (I keep running out of room here.. ;-) there will always be some that will want to 'lord it over others' no matter how small the faction, break it down to the States, cities, towns, regions, neighborhoods, streets, and finally individuals, it is within human nature to 'lord it over.' Unless one is able to overcome that basic nature, which is another thing altogether. But that is in the realm of spirituality and metaphysics, not Government or Politics!
But anyway, I digress... but THAT right there is why it was stipulated in the original Constitution of the United States of America that 'State and religion be separate.' (paraphrased). B/c they are so inherently different! One reason anyway... but anyway, one other unintended (and probably not thought of) consequence of separating the states from the greater 'Union' is that that State would then be its own entity, it might involve not being able to cross other state lines... .... so if whoever wants to secede is happy with just staying within their own little state and area and never going anywhere else, never trading with other states or even interacting at times.... (worst case), then so be it! But it wouldn't last very long once people start to see that it is really not as good as they thought.... they would all have to regulate who gets what and when and each state don't forget has a different character and desires which they may not all agree on...
...So if one state, say Iowa doesn't agree with another States ways, then they might say, "Well, we won't export any corn this year... so there!" Or another state which excels in another skill/product, say Michigan, the auto industry at least once was, in retaliation, says they won't allow their products to cross state lines.... there are all sorts of implications and there will always be fierce individualists who don't need anybody or anything, but fact is, most people are not like that.
.... and the ones who have pushed this on the others who may not have logically thought it through , will eventually begin to resent it and feel that they have only signed up for ANOTHER kind of Government, but one more in its infancy, more wild and untamed, less civilized and learned really... and then 'anarchy! - again! The values of the Old West are noble, but we can't go backwards now, we've come too far, true, if any one entity gets too strong then it needs to be curtailed, but .... ... I don't quite think this is the answer and that it would not quite be as everyone thinks it would be.... also, that is not to say, it is not a noble sentiment, it is... and the individual should rise up, although taken to an extreme, like Ayn Rand's philosophy, it could be too much, but anyway, it is the beginning of 'waking up' and not taking it anymore... and that's good.. but again, something like that can only succeed if everyone in the state is in agreement and no one entity wants to...
What I'm saying is this could only succeed if everyone in the individual state is in agreement and no one entity then wants to 'lead' and tell all the others what to do, and 'lord it over' because then eventually, the same thing would happen again, where more 'entities' would want to separate from the others till it all, as I said, devolves into chaos and anarchy. Which, like fire, is good as a catalyst, but quickly burns out. Something else must always replace it. Oftentimes it is despotism. Like in alchemy, in nature, a too hot fire burns earth and earth becomes hardened and stony.
..Speaking of despotism, the petition to 'revoke the citizenship of all that have asked for secession' is a bit of despotism at work. That is the *other* extreme and also, probably set up by Agent provocateurs... to stir the pot... or perhaps not, who knows, but that is another extreme, of which kind the 'Secessionaries' are actually fighting against, ironically enough. But anyway, I just followed the logical conclusion of all this and deduced what could happen out of it.
...one more thing - thank you for listening and bearing with all my comments as I bear my mind (I usually write all this on my blog and probably still will ;-), thank God we do have free speech in this great country of ours so we can speak our minds as long as we do not abuse that right...
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Latest youtube responses and replies:
Another youtuber's responses and here are mine as well. To keep it simple, I have italicized my responses.
Other youtube user: (heismyhightower)
hello,
Of course everybody is not going to 100% agree with everything . Thats why we have a voting system. All things should be voted on by its citizens. When all is said & done if someone does not like the Laws in one state then can always move to another. I think its important that we also remain allies to our neighboring. states. What we have now is NOT working. Our country is on the brink of civil war. We need to find a PEACEFUL solution & Secession sounds like the best answer to me
heismyhightower in reply to videovixen71 (Show the comment) 33 minutes ago
This is amazing how quickly these petitions are being posted as well as signed, in a 4 day period Texas has gotten over 65,000 signatures & will continue to get signitures until Dec.10, 2012. I will guess at the rate they are going they will get a few hundred thousand signatures. Everytime I look more states are joining. 'Im glad to see it's being done in a peaceful & respectful manner.
heismyhightower 3 days ago
My response:
Yes, I agree there should be a PEACEFUL solution, always! But, knowing human nature, although more and more are becoming more conscious and aware, it seems like there is always an element or two that would devolve this into another 'conflict.' And seeing as how all the states are so different, would they all work together? Just logical thoughts one should ponder.... thank you for your comment.... I appreciate a peaceful back and forth discussion...
.... but that brings up another issue - how easy would it be to just 'move' from one state to another, wouldn't the states want to be very 'discriminating' about who transfers there and the different rules and all that, but if human nature can be at its highest, this could potentially work. But being a skeptic and a realist, I just still don't know if it would... or could work.
That being said - even though realistically this might not happen, or work, the fact that it is even being initiated at all is a sign that there is a massive awakening and a spiritual shift in the consciousness of humanity, and that alone is tremendous.
That being said - even though realistically this might not happen, or work, the fact that it is even being initiated at all is a sign that there is a massive awakening and a spiritual shift in the consciousness of humanity, and that alone is tremendous.
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